Toyota Leadership Lessons: Part 6 – Coach like you are making sushi

Earlier this week I went to Nagoya for a day trip to visit with my friend and Toyota mentor, Mr. Isao Yoshino, where we got to talking about leadership and developing people at Toyota and in Japan.

CLICK HERE to get a curated PDF of 10 Toyota leadership lessons that Mr. Yoshino has shared with me.

View of Mt. Fuji from the bullet train to Nagoya.
View of Mt. Fuji from the bullet train to Nagoya.

It was a beautiful winter day and I had an amazing view of Mt. Fuji from the bullet train on the 90 minute journey from Tokyo to Nagoya.

I love traveling by Shinkansen (bullet train) – it is so convenient, clean, and on time!

We spent nine hours together talking about leadership, mentorship, hoshin kanri, Japanese history, travel and good food – and also visited the Nagoya Castle.

I’ll be writing about our visit over the course of a few posts.

A friendship and mentorship

Isao Yoshino and Katie Anderson
Isao Yoshino and Katie Anderson

Yoshino-san and I have become friends over the past 18 months and I enjoy the time we have spent together.

I first met Mr. Yoshino at the Lean Coaching Summit in July 2014 shortly after I found out to we were moving to Japan and I have made two other trips to Nagoya earlier this year to spend time with him.

Developing others is a passion

Mr. Yoshino’s passion for developing and mentoring people is evident in his relatishopship with his students and former colleages.

Many of our conversations have focused on how to develop people and coach learners.

His eyes beam when he said that “the best thing about being a teacher is the relationship” that is fostered and seeing [the learner] develop.

I couldn’t agree more!

Concept of Japanese apprentice relationships

This time, I specifically asked Yoshino about the concept of apprenticeship in Japan and how it relates to his experience being a coach in the workplace or the school.

Deshi and Sensei

Japanese copy of "Managing to Learn"
Japanese copy of “Managing to Learn”

He explained to me that the Japanese word for apprentice is “deshi”, which was a new Japanese word for me.

Most of us know what the term “sensei” means from its wide adoption in the English language, meaning teacher or master. In Japan, “sensei” is used as an honorific to teachers, professors, coaches, doctors, and more senior people.

Desi “Deshi” Porter

The Japanese word for “apprentice” was actually the reason that John Shook intentionally called his learner character “Desi Porter” in his book “Managing to Learn”!

I always wondered why he had chosen such a non-traditional American first name for Porter….

John Shook modeled himself as Desi (the deshi) in the book, while Yoshino and some of Shook’s other early Toyota managers were the models for Sanderson (the sensei).

What you can learn from sushi

Nope, this is not real sushi. They are plastic replicas photographed in the "restaurant district" in Tokyo.
Nope, this is not real sushi. They are plastic replicas photographed in the “restaurant district” in Tokyo.

Yoshino went on to explain how a “deshi” learns from his or her “sensei” in Japan in traditional apprenticeship relationships.

A traditional deshi-sensei relationship, such as a sushi chef apprenticeship, lasts for many years or even decades.

If you have watched “Jiro Dreams of Sushi”, you know a bit of what this is like. (Side note: I live about a 3 minute walk from Jiro’s younger son’s sushi restaurant. It’s expensive, but on my bucket list to do while we are in Tokyo!).

Or, you might think if Mr. Migagi in “The Karate Kid” back in the 1980s. “Wax on, wax off…”

Learn by watching

As Yoshino explained, the master sushi chef does not directly tell his deshi how to make sushi. (Note: I use “his” in this example as sushi chefs are still primarily male and the culture has been reluctant to welcome females, including Jiro’s own son).

Instead, the deshi must watch the chef make sushi over and over again, without explanation.

The master chef expects the deshi to observe and learn, and then to start practicing on his own time.

And then learn by doing, and failing

Only after the deshi has practiced, has tried and failed many times, and has learned by doing, will he have the basis of knowledge to ask informed questions.

And then learn from questions

This hands on experience is required before the deshi is eligible to ask the master questions.

Then the master will ask the deshi, “What have you tried?”, in order to understand how much the deshi has really learned.

The master will tell the deshi only enough for him to get to the next level, and to start the process again.

This makes me think of the Toyota Kata progression to the next condition and experiment as people try and learn to solve problems.

Coach as if you were making sushi

Yoshino said that coaching should be just the same and this is in line with our previous conversations about what coaching and developing people means to him.

What does this mean for you?

From this analogy, earlier conversations with Yoshino and my own experiences, this is how you might think about the sushi analogy in a coaching context:

Deshi/Learner:

  • The learner must understand the basics by observing and then trying on his own.
  • Direct observation is a powerful learning process. Think of “Ohno’s circles” in which Toyota’s Taiichi Ohno would have learners stand in a circle and observe.
  • Through these cycle of experiments and hands-on experiences, the learner will understand so much more than if he had just been told the answer.

Sensei/Coach:

  • The coach should constantly assess where the learner is and adjust her approach (directive coaching versus open counsel).

Yoshino’s thoughts on coaching and leadership

ToyotaRedYoshino-san has explained his philosophy of coaching in more detail in earlier posts. You can read these through the following links:

Learn from the sensei in Tupelo, Mississippi

Mr. Yoshino is speaking at the Applied Lean Leadership Conference in Mississippi (USA) in January, along with John Shook and others. If you are in that part of the U.S., I recommend going!

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Lean thinker and coach. Passionate about developing people. Healthcare change agent. Living in California again after 18 months in Tokyo. Writing about lean and leadership.

  • Charles Intrieri

    Hi Katie:
    I have taken this bullet train to Nagoya. I enjoyed it.
    The key:

    “The deshi must watch the chef make sushi over and over again, without explanation.

    The master chef expects the deshi to observe and learn, and then to start practicing on his own time.”
    Mistakes are good. Learn from your mistakes, don’t repeat them.

  • Arnout Orelio

    Dear Katie,

    I enjoy each and everyone of your blog posts. There are not many people (man?) like you, who are in ‘student-mode’ all of the time. Thank you for all of the lessons. They really help (and make me wanna go to Japan to learn for myself). How can I help you?

    Arnout

    PS: improvement suggestion 😉
    Current Situation: hyperlinks to other websites make people leave your blog
    Target Condition: let your hyperlinks to a new page/ window in the reader’s browser so your blog stays on their screen.
    PDCA: Have fun trying 🙂

  • Thanks for the comments, Chuck! Making the exact same mistake twice means there is a bigger macro problem going on – lack of learning.

  • Arnout – Thank you so much for the positive feedback and kind words. You comments made my day! I will take you up on your offer for help sometime in the future for sure.

    And thank you for the process improvement suggestion. That is a great idea and I will look into how to have links to other sites pop out rather than redirect! Building this blog has been a learning experience in web management and I welcome all comments (and tips) to make the experience better. Keep the suggestions coming (design, function, content, etc).

    Thanks for being one of my top followers!

  • Michael Codega

    Katie: thanks for sharing Yoshino-san’s visit to our second Applied Lean Leadership Conference in Tupelo, MS in your blog. I’ve had the great fortune to spend much time in Japan as a deshi and met Yoshino years ago while he was with Toyota. We are honored to have him and John Shook return as key note speakers for our conference. Michael Codega.

  • Arnout Orelio

    Hi Katie,
    Your welcome! great that I made your day (all the way from The Netherlands). Being one of the top followers does it for me 🙂
    Next step: one of the top leaders?? (I have still > 40 years to work on that one)

  • Thanks for the comments Michael and it is my pleasure to promote Yoshino-san’s visit to the Applied Lean Leadership Conference. If others have the opportunity to hear and learn from him, they should do so! I was so inspired the first time I heard Yoshino speak with Shook 18 months ago at the Lean Coaching Summit and I am sure your conference attendees will have a similar experience. When I’m back in the U.S. I hope that I can make it out to a future version of your event!

  • 🙂 I still haven’t been to the Netherlands – it’s on my list! Perhaps a gemba visit is in order one of these days!

  • Arnout Orelio

    Your most welcome, here. Maybe we can do an exchange program? Interesting here is that lean has a lot of traction in healthcare, and especially in the care sector (mental health, nursing homes and organizations for the disabled).

  • Sounds like a plan! 🙂

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